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Matt

Tear it down - bring on baseball

Brian Libby

Yuk yuk yuk - nudge nudge. Oh thanks, Matt, I needed a laugh!

marc

I can't believe it. There's no money to fund these wildly pie in the sky ideas folks have come up with to completely repurpose the MC? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you! Now that this rediculous process is nearing its inevitable conclusion, we can get on to reality. The Blazers are the only organization with the means to do anything with the MC. Without their money, the MC sits and rots. If keeping the MC as-is was the goal, you, indeed, are closer to victory. If actually turning this venue into something pleasant and useable was the goal, you're right back where you started.

billb

I agree B , put those other uses on the site , even on top of those ugly garages , and leave the
fine historic MC as it is , a good
work of Modern Architecture !
Long Live The MC :o]

randy rapaport

Please understand that our city and state
is in a deep economic recession and a
real estate depression.

The city has wasted yet another $500k
for consultants, lawyer fees, and time
with an outcome of trying to get the
three finalists to work together.
So nothing is happening.

An RFP should be released to have a responsible architecture firm like SERA and and builder like Howard S. Wright to team up and do a basic rehab of this historic piece of architecture.

The Blazers have 13 years left on their management contract. It is their legal right to see it through and by agreement, it is the
city's responsibility to pay for the costs of
the rehab.

The city needs pragmatic, sensible and intelligent leadership and business practices.
We can no longer afford the politics of the past.

So let's get on with it.

dave

I'm not sure how the MC has been saved? The status quo is not acceptable, and that's what we appear to have right now. You have a run down, under utilized sports area that few people look forward to going to. The seats are mostly busted up. The bathrooms are disgusting. The electrical system is a hazard. The MC will only be saved when someone is ready to move forward with renovation plans and the dollars to do it right. Without a complete overhaul, it will just be a matter of time before the teardown talk starts up again.

Brian Libby

Dave,

It may be true that the MC hasn't yet been saved in a way that assures its future success as a fully refurbished arena. I meant that the MC may be saved from renovation attempts that would have gutted the building.

I completely agree the status quo is not acceptable. But plans are being put in place to restore the arena with the upkeep it not only deserves, but the city and the Blazers have been legally bound to provide.

I do disagree vehemently, however, with your assertion that the MC is under-utilized. It drew more events than the Rose Garden last year!

But again, I'm thinking you and I agree more than we differ here. Let's restore the MC as it deserves!

Stuart Emmons

Let's restore MC at once, like this July, per the Base Case, with the $24M (or whatever it really is) and put people to work this year. City General Services runs the project. The deal with the Blazers should be revisited so this public gem does not fall into disrepair again. As to the rest of the Rose Quarter, should we spend public funds (if available) on yuppie brewpubs/restaurants that threaten downtown and Lloyd/Broadway businesses, or should we focus most of our resources on schools and housing that give us our highest return on investment? And, enliven the Rose Quarter with simple solutions that are realistic and effective. Portland should be very cautious with the fine print of Cordish deals.

jfwells

Brian - when you say the MC had more events than the RG last year, what does that include? I would be extremely surprised to find out that the bowl was actually used nearly as much as the RG. And if you are counting meetings and such in the lower level of the facility that is a bit disingenuous.

I tend to agree with Dave - keeping the status quo will only give us the Parthenon eventually. Except the MC won't last that long.

eric cantona

Brian - check your notes, or call Kevin Brake and verify that Obletz is involved w/ US swimming. I think you'll find it's one of the other teams.

Jim Klee

Reality check people. The New York Yankees are bulldozing old Yankee stadium to make: youth baseball fields, football/soccer field with a track, basketball courts, handball courts, ect, ect. This is Yankee Stadium we are talking about, but Portland can't do the same thing with the MC? Are people nuts here? The MC and its bowl in box is not a work of art. The most appealing part to the design was rarely ever exposed because they kept the curtain drawn. It was a well served arena for many decades in this city. It has outlived its usefulness and we simply don't need it anymore. The original plan to put a ballpark in its place is the only plan that makes sense. It would create year round activity in the Rose Quarter and help rejuvenate that area with new restaurants and bars. With the Rose Quarter's close proximity to the Pearl Dist. and waterfront board-walk you could really connect the city and make the Rose Quarter a destination with a Ball Park.

Brian Libby

Jim,

Thanks for your opinion but I am in 180-degree disagreement.

You say "The MC and its bowl in box is not a work of art." I say, WRONG. So does the National Trust for Historic Preservation, the US Green Building Council, and the American Institute of Architects.

Although you're right that the building's best feature, the open curtain experience, has been allowed to happen frustratingly seldomly, this is precisely what makes it a one-of-a-kind work of architecture in the world.

A new ballpark is the LAST thing the Rose Quarter needs. Memorial Coliseum is so busy it hosted more events than even the Rose Garden last year. The two arenas together make a unique marketing opportunity because no other city in America can offer such a tandem. A new ballpark would have offered only a small fraction of the events that the MC already does.

And even if you could make a business/programming case for a ballpark on the MC site - WHICH YOU CAN'T - there would be the cause of saving a masterful work of art in architecture, designed by one of the most acclaimed firms of the 20th century.

Of course you and anyone else are welcome to offer your opinion here. That's what this site is for. But the authority you imply and the case you make, in my view, do not hold the slightest drop of water.

I wish the Portland Beavers minor league team didn't have to lose its home. I also wish more than a smattering of people in the community cared about the Beavers and minor league baseball. But having the city destroy art, history and economics just for a stadium with 1,200 people watching a game is a wholly preposterous proposition.

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