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billb

Well said B , but I must disagree on the Duck's checkerplate uni's,
I loved that , and most of the great stuff Nike does , design - wise for our Ducks. [not crazy about the wings , but will give it time]

Marc Hull

Wow! Brian, I'm impressed! You actually acknowledge that many of the suggested uses for the MC are not financially feasible. That's a big step. Kudos.

Brian Libby

Marc,

Thanks for your kind words.

However, I've always been in favor of a financially feasible solution. And as it happens, the renovation of Memorial Coliseum as a working arena has always been the cheapest option and the only one with a proven track record. The MC hosted as many events as the RG last year.

If I previously gave the impression that I was only concerned with design and not economics, I'm sorry. Luckily it just so happens that the best economic plan is to have a multi-use arena that is flexible enough to host a wide variety of functions -- in other words, the MC that was originally fashioned in 1960.

Matt

As a Timbers supporter and season ticket holder, I can say that not all of us want the MC gone.

I want it there and operated as is for eternity. Why? Because it was a half-assed place for a baseball stadium and it would cost far to much to change to something worth more.

Yes, location wise it would have been perfect for baseball, but the space would have made for an awkward set up. The drawings showed a shortened right field I believe it was that was right there at the Rose Garden. Too close and cramped for my taste.

Now, I don't believe it's anything special as a building to be sure, but I attribute those issues to how it is operated than anything. What a joke that is. They need to make that place a jewel, accessible and interesting. It looks like nobody cares about it.

However, I must say that I can't blame my fellow Timbers fans for being a tad pissed about the fact that the baseball stadium doesn't have a home yet, if in fact (and I personally doubt this) the Beavers not finding a stadium puts the MLS deal in the hands of another city and we're left with a crap PGE Park as it currently sits.

Brian Libby

Thanks Matt!

Patrick Emerson

I am not an architect so I don't know much about these issues and I don't personally feel strongly one way or another, but has there ever been a poll about how Portland area residents feel about the Coliseum and does it matter to you what they think?

I am curious to know whether you feel that architects, in cases such as this, must defend design against general ignorance, or if it was shown that most residents think of the coliseum as an eyesore would you agree that it should not be preserved? I suspect that my hypothetical is incorrect as politicians quickly retreated after the outcry from architects. I imagine if they thought that the public was solidly on their side they would not have budged. Nevertheless, I am interested in your take on the hypothetical presented.

That then leads into the economics of a structure. Does a 'significant' structure need to be economically viable or is it in the interest of communities to preserve them even if it means supporting them through public funds? And how would a policy maker make such a determination (i.e. value the design v. the cost of preservation)?

Grant

Do you have any pictures of Jumptown before it was razed?

Steve L.

“Proposals are due by December 1, after which PDC will issue a request for proposals from a short list of favored ideas.” Favored by whom? At least there should be a public comment period. Better yet, I like the way the Sellwood Bridge Project has been able to engage the public on decision making, this MC process should be as good or better.

I find the whole “Jumptown” reference ironic and extremely distasteful, as PDC and the city were responsible for the neighborhood’s destruction. We should celebrate this and other lost Portland neighborhoods and memorialize there destruction, so the people don’t forget what happened and the people learn to stand-up to wealthy developers and powerful politicians and protect their neighborhoods. A proper memorial to the lost neighborhoods of Portland should be under control of the citizens of the communities that were harmed not the instigators of the harm.

As for MC future uses, I would like the MC to remain a mixed-use facility, but possibly enhance in a couple ways. I would like to see more done with lighting, particularly washing or projecting onto the curtain.

I would like to see a retractable glass skylight in the center of the roof that could provide a unique open-air amphitheater feel, without the weather risk, while enhancing the transparent cube effect.

I would also like to be able to enjoy the view from an open-air rooftop bar of the downtown, the river and the venue below.

As for reducing the number of seats, a section could have tables every other row to support food and drink and additional revenue as in pub-theaters.

Paul Schmidt

I believe attention should be paid to a Tribune article from last week regarding what the Portland Winterhawks prefer to see in a Coliseum renovation, something the Blazers appear to have implicitly endorsed:

http://portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=125676823129708500

The key to having an impetus to maintain the Coliseum is an anchor tenant, generally how sports arenas operate. I question whether the desires expressed here are compatible with what the Hawks will require to remain in the Rose Quarter.

paul

you know, if they want people to be there and spend time there, maybe they should include some sort of mixed-use residential; just a thought.

Macky Wacky

The Winter Hawks had a similar proposal when the city was just starting to look at other uses for the M.C. This was maybe 7 or 8 years ago? Anyway, I got to the public meeting early enough to snag one of the few bound handouts available which included artist sketches and such. I do not believe that they called for reducing the seating as much as this new proposal does but the remodel was along the same lines with sky boxes and such.

dennis

Patrick, in the past most residents saw Old Town as a rundown part of the city with aging buildings that should be flattened for new development...now we are left with a shell of an Old Town (though we are better off than most cities that leveled their oldest parts), but this is basically the same issue.

Just because the majority doesnt care if something is torn down doesnt mean we should do that...actually tearing down should always be the last option anyone thinks about. Also, you say you dont have strong feelinings one way or another about this, what makes you think that those who say we should tear this down feel the same way? I think it would be a mistake to listen to the majority on this when the majority doesnt care if it is torn down or not.

I personally dont care for the architecture that is the MC, and there are much better works of mid century architecture that I have seen, but this building does have a function for the city and replacing it with a minor league stadium that could not be expanded seems like a waste of money to begin with, thus I was against the idea of tearing down the MC.

This whole idea of "Jumptown" seems to be a bit of a marketing joke. Name it after a neighborhood that it destroyed...are they going to invite the african american community to live there as well, sort of a way to say "our bad."? Having a Jumptown museum and memorial to the history of that area would be an important step, not having a bunch of bars that frat boys can get drunk at and calling it good.

It is fine to have restaurants and bars in that area, heck it is even expected, but there should be an integration of neighborhood history and sports history to the final urban design.

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