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RecollectedStephanie

Unbelievable. Shame on them. And since I haven't heard this on any other news, thanks for posting!

Lance Lindahl

It looks like there should be some lively discussion at tonight's Portland to Milwaukie Citizen Advisory Committee meeting.

The meeting will be held at 6:00 PM on Thursday, May 21st. The location is the TriMet Training Center at 1625 SE Holgate Boulevard, behind the Semaphore Resturant.

The meeting is open to the public, and public comment will be taken at the end of the meeting, typically around 7:25 or so.

Bob R.

Lance -

I was planning on addressing the CAC on a separate matter during the public comment period. Unfortunately, I have two other meetings both starting at 7, so can't stay to give testimony at the end. Is there someone I can contact so I can make a brief statement at the beginning?

[Sorry to hijack this comment thread.]

dave

Replace the Steel Bridge and stop wasting money on this. A single modern LRT bridge across the Willamette would be more cost beneficial and efficient for transit riders. South waterfront already has the street car, it doesn't need this brigde.

rwnobles

Brian, is the pic meant ot infer "Fat Cats" or "Big Pussies"?

Brian Libby

Fat cats, with a play on the similarity of "cats" and "Katz". However, I'm not really saying Vera Katz is a fat cat. She was an excellent mayor, in my opinion, and I still have great respect and admiration for her. The image is just a joke. It's actually because I was a big Katz fan that I wish her involvement could have been more successful in convincing Trimet to do the right thing.

Lance Lindahl

Bob-Make sure to talk to the TriMet staffers at the meeting to see what sort of accomodation that they can make for you. If this doesn't work, come speak with me. I am on the committee and will be seated at the table.

Dave-The new light rail bridge will benefit Southeast Portland and Clackamas County residents the most. And the benefits are not limited to those that ride MAX. Bus riders will enjoy a much faster ride to downtown thanks to being able to bypass the Ross Island Bridge. Train speeds are way too slow on the Steel Bridge, but at least they have something. That is more than can be said for Inner Southeast.

Ryan

this is insane. please keep us posted on the news, and if this is correct, the contact info for the people making these calls for trimet.

Eric Cantona

WTF is going on with local government in this town??? i've been here for five decades and it seems as though this past year or so has seen this most soap opera-esque shit emanating from our elected officials and the like.

or am i just being touchy?

Mikel

This is hilarious. The "flub of the century?" This and the waxing poetic about the Memorial Coliseum - maybe it is just time to tone down the hyperbole.

Snowflake Seven

Apparently The Rose City has run out of roses.

Double J

Both the Willamette and CRC situations have put design on the back burner. Im in a Will Bruder building right now... sharpening some sticks for when I get back to PDX.

Portland has to get more serious about design and since we are a bridge city the bridges should be first.

If confirmed, this is very very bad.

Aneeda

lame

Horsewhistle

Maybe we as the design community, could have spent more time lobbying for our future behind the Rosales bridge instead of focusing on the albatross which is the Memorial Coliseum. What an expensive cost for both with a sub-par result that plagues so much of the great ideas of Portland with poor execution.

Andrew

Maybe we could hold a bake sale to come up with the risk money on the wave design, or the 'added costs that weren't true' as you've called it. Trimet simply doesn't have the cash for a good bridge. Maybe the larger question is: if we can't afford the project, why are we still trying to build a sub-par version?

Frank Dufay

Maybe the larger question is: if we can't afford the project, why are we still trying to build a sub-par version?

Exactly. In terms of transportation needs, is a billion and a half dollar project --40 to 50% of which is local match-- the best use of our resources? Building parking garages for commuters is NOT my idea of reducing our carbon footprint, nor is turning my close-in SE neighborhood into a parking lot for a MAX stop that doesn't serve us, with no funds --sorry-- budgeted for even a limited so-called "quiet zone."

We asked for neighborhood pedestrian and bike access for us in Hosford-Abernethy to be able to GET to this proposed bridge...sorry, no money for THAT.

You hate to use the word "cheap" for a billion and half dollar project, but the fact is the funding is so tight on this that we will see compromise after compromise on "good design" and the end result won't be pretty.

Douglas K.

If funding is an issue, Tri-Met should reconsider its decision to completely exclude cars from the new bridge. It should instead make it a toll bridge, and use the tolls to pay for part of the construction cost of the bridge.

Even at peak times with maximum bus, streetcar and MAX traffic, the bridge will have a LOT of unused capacity to sell to private motorists. Setting a fairly high toll would keep car traffic low enough to not interfere with transit operations (most drivers would avoid the toll by taking the Hawthorne, Marquam or Ross Island Bridge), but could raise enough money to repay a significant part of the bridge's construction.

If, for example, the bridge toll was $3, and -- on average -- only one car per minute crossed the bridge in each direction, it could raise over $3 million per year. That could repay a bond for perhaps $50 million in bridge costs over 20 to 30 years. (I assume the actual price would vary -- maybe as high as $5 for a congestion-free peak-hour shortcut from Division to South Waterfront, down to $1 to use the bridge at night when transit is shut down.)

Valentij

Man! And I had just come around to the hybrid!

Quit playing with my emotions, Trimet.

billb

DK , good thinking , there are days when a guy/gal just wants to skip traffic , and 5$ to cross
seems worth it. Or maybe Touristas would do it ... user fees rock!

Randy Gragg

See update at http://www.portlandspaces.net/blog/the-burnside-blog/2009/5/22/bridge-over-troubled-waters-for-rosales-design

PMG

http://trimet.org/pdfs/pm/wrbac_meeting/docs/Architect_Memo.pdf

Douglas K.

http://portlandtransport.com/archives/2009/05/trimet_responds.html

sue

All that process for nothing. Hire Rosales for the I-5 bridge.

ka

toll bridge? WTF and why when there are so many other choices. That will never happen, and if it does it should be on the I5 bridge, but that is another story. They should put a restaurant on the bridge. think of the view - get there by bike, walk, streetcar or maybe one of those bike taxi dudes can take you there. it could be a real unique spot, and could have a completely different feel based on how you got there. it could second as a rest spot and lookout for pedestrians crossing the river. a bridge is no different than a civic building in my opinion. TriMet should not be allowed to put whatever they want across our river! it has to be of civic caliber, or follow in some follow a pardigm for excellence in design. off the shelf just does not seem to align with that.

Douglas K.

toll bridge? WTF and why when there are so many other choices.

That's precisely the point. Nobody would be using it to go downtown; they'd be using it to get in and out of South Waterfront from the east side. The alternative is to make your way through (possibly heavy) traffic and multiple traffic lights to the Hawthorne or Ross Island Bridges. There are people out there (I'm one of them) who would be willing to pay for a shortcut if the price was right, particularly if it involves dodging part of rush hour.

The traffic volume would be maybe 1/10th of what other downtown bridges, which is what Tri-Met should be looking for: enough traffic to generate revenue to help pay for the bridge, but not enough to interfere with transit.

The question is: would there be enough people shortcutting between the east side and South Waterfront to pay off a significant part of the bridge? Would the pricing work to manage demand while producing revenue? If not, there would be no point in doing it. If so, it would be foolish to pass up a potential revenue source for the bridge.

It may be immaterial; it looks like some form of a hybrid is still on the table. We'll have to see what the final design looks like. But if cost is the issue, sharing the bridge with light (tolled) traffic could make the difference between a bland design and a stellar one.

billb

a mid-bridge isolated restaurant in the middle of a depression will
fail before it starts. How about
if we all buy a 'brick' like in our public square?

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