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goose

the "king" aka measure 37 is merely on a ventilator. its legacy will live on, as measure 49 has merely tempered its effect.

Aneeda

Wasn't it the 'witch' who was dead? Wizard of Oz?

Robert

"Which old witch?"

Nikos

Correct, Aneeda,The witch is dead, of course, because a house fell on her! Which is ironic in this context (since a house was more likely to fall in the landscape with 37, oh never mind, you get the picture..)

MarkDaMan

"I can hear voices in my head of a chorus of children going, "Ding dong, ding dong."

I think those are the children ringing doorbells to collect cans to pay for health insurance...but oh well, 49 passed...YEAH!

Carlo

The votes on 49 and 50, which were supported in the densely populated areas (in 50's case, ONLY Multnomah county voted in favor) and opposed everywhere else, confirms something that's been obvious all across the country for a long time, though nobody ever seems to mention it:

The big political divide in this country isn't red state vs. blue state or religious voters vs. non or young vs. old or black vs. white. The big divide is between people who live in cities and people who don't. In place after place and election after election, they always vote the opposite way on nearly every issue. Turns out we really have nothing in common with each other.

Dan

"The votes on 49 and 50, which were supported in the densely populated areas (in 50's case, ONLY Multnomah county voted in favor) and opposed everywhere else."

This is not true. In regards to 49, this measure was supported and passed by the majority of counties in the state of Oregon. Whether the county had a high rural or high urban population, was located east or west of the Cascades, was a coastal or valley county etc., factors such as these were irrelevent in this case.

It turns out, in regards to land use values, Oregonians have a lot in common with each other.

Carlo

Here's what the Oregonian's story on the election said today:

"After an intense campaign, the state's populous urban counties -- primarily Multnomah, Washington and Clackamas, joined by Marion, Lane and Benton -- carried the day for Measure 49. Many rural counties in eastern and southern Oregon rejected the measure."

dewey

Mark,

Got some news for you - you apparently haven't paid attention to the actual (vs the imaginary) results.

M. 49 passed overwhelmingly in Yamhill County (60%), a predominantly Republican and conservative county. It passed in Deschutes, Hood River, Marion, Benton, and a number of other counties with large rural populations. The suggestion that this was all about Portland telling the rest of the state how to manage its land is simply not true. I live in Yamhill County, and there were as many "Yes on 49" signs as No signs across almost the entire county. I bet you are the city dweller!

EdgePDX

Wow, we dodged a bullet with last night's vote on 49. Hopefully the concessions in M49 will pacify the angry rural masses for a while. Although look at the number for M37 vs. M49 it means that 20% of the voters changed their minds, so that lends credence to the theory that the voters were hood winked on M37, so we need to stay vigilant.

I think the urban/rural divide has been the overriding theme in US politics since the founding of the country. Think back to the civil war, rural southerners versus urban northerners. Even the parties have switched roles regarding urban vs. rural, it used to be that the Democrats were the party of the rural poor and the GOP being the party of the moneyed city dwellers. Of course white flight, racial integration and the rise of the exburb reversed this dynamic.

Much of the anger that the GOP and property "rights" groups have been playing off of is the feeling by many rural dwellers that they have been left out as property values in urban areas of skyrocketed. I think the thinking is that "if only it wasn't for those darn land use rules I could cash in like those people in Portland". Of course this ignores the fact that one of the reasons people move to Portland is because the landscape has been preserved. Sort of a goose and the golden egg problem.

dewey

Edge,

Rural property values across much of Oregon have increased significantly over the last decade or so. And since land use planning rules came into effect in the early 1970s, the increase in rural land values has outpaced the increases in the major US stock indices, this at a time (80s-90s) when the markets grew in an ahistorical manner. So if there is rural anger, it cannot rationally be based in comparisons with urban property values. But perhaps rationality is not part of the equation.

Dan

For anyone interested, here's the full (though still unofficial) results, by county, for Measure 49. 49 passed in 22 counties, lost in 14.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/politics/2007/11/measure_49_wins_in_22_of_orego.html

Dan

Sorry, I'm not sure that I know how to imbed links. Let's see if I can give it a try.

Measure 49 results

If that doesn't work, you can just find the results on Oregonlive.com yourself!!

Carlo

Thanks for the link to the vote totals, Dan, though I have to say the argument that links Measure 49's passage with the number of counties it won is a little deceptive, because if you look it the county-by-county totals it's easy to see that the margin of victory -- about 270,000 votes statewide, comes entirely from the overwhelming number of votes in favor in the three biggest metro areas: Portland, Salem and Eugene, where voters approved it by margins of 65 to 79 percent.

Put another way, if it didn't rack up those huge numbers of "yes" votes in the big cities, it would very likely have still won in a majority of counties but been defeated overall.

how do you spell relief: 4-9

blueoregon.com has a map that shows how counties voted by percentage. I believe it reflects less of a urban/rural divide, and more that areas most potentially impacted by Measure 37 claims voted most vigorously against. So, the farther one gets from the coast + portland + the gorge corridor, the weaker the pro-49 vote.

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MarkDaMan

dewey, I think you've gotten mine and Carlo's posts mixed up.

john

I received two seperate phone calls from rather intellegent people who asked me about 49 because they had read the voter's guide and could not understand it. No one has ever told me that they did not understand a measure. If these two smart people didn't understand, how could Joe 6-pack get 49. People say they were hood-winked by 37 but 49 was way worse.

ws

How many Oregon voters do you think actually exclusively read about any measure in the voter's pamphlet to understand and determine that it's something they can personally vote for? I'd say most don't, because though that voter's pamphlet explanation is necessary, the language of its text also makes it almost generally the domain of lawyers and other people familiar and accustomed to that language. Just as I did, people voting for M49 likely listened to many different sources and interpretations to come to the conclusion that the protections M49 provided for were a wise choice for Oregon.

M49 isn't perfect, but it's way better than letting Oregon go down the tubes through what M37 would have allowed to establish. Any faults M49 may be found to have will undoubtedly be addressed and adjusted in land use property rights measures that will follow it.

djk

dewey, I think you've gotten mine and Carlo's posts mixed up.

Easy enough to do: the design of the comments makes it look like "posted by" appears above the post (inside the "box") when in fact it appears below the post (in the "next box down")

Put another way, if it didn't rack up those huge numbers of "yes" votes in the big cities, it would very likely have still won in a majority of counties but been defeated overall.

Take out all the votes ("yes" and "no") from the five big urban counties (Washington, Multnomah, Clackamas, Marion, and Lane) and M49 still passes, albeit by a much smaller margin.

Rural Oregon, as a whole, appears to have voted "yes" on 49. However, support was clearly stronger in the cities than the countryside.

zilfondel

Oregonians vote no on Measure 50:

"cigs before kids"


...has a nice rhyme to it. :)

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