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Congress

How many billions you got available to do what you propose?

Oh, none? That's what I thought.

Brian Libby

Easy there, friend. I assume you're referring to moving the East Bank of I-5, which I mentioned in this post. Yeah, it would take billions. And I doubt we'll see it happen any time soon, if ever. But since when is it a crime to daydream about the form our city might take in the future? Nevertheless, thanks for your insight.

Cab

A lot of public infrastructure (the backbone of any civilized nation) is being dropped in the middle east. Think about what could have and should have been created with those Billion of Dollars here at home. One needs only travel overseas a little to see how far we are falling behind in this department

Matt

I was thinking it would be nice to have a tunnel under the river and have our own big dig in Portland. Granted the money issue will make any sort of idea like this come to a screaching halt but it would do wonders for the river and city scape along the river.

Weston

Dreaming of the Big Dig in Portland is a savory thought. Has anyone stopped to ponder how on earth Boston ever pulled off the public support (at least at the beginning) to get it going? Some people who had REALLY BIG daydreams. And guess what? They made them happen. (Keep going Brian!)Yes, the unfortunate chilling effects of such cost overruns will shut down anything similar for about a hundred years...

Regarding the Rose Quarter: undeniably the worse urban design in Portland. Perhaps on the West Coast? Any other contenders? Here's the epicenter of everything Portland doesn't want to be.

Ray

I'm with you Brian on this dream. I've posted here, at Oregon Stadium Campaign dot com, at a Columbia River Crossings meeting in Vancouver, that we as a region really need to plan out the I5 corridor through Portland. This conversation is 20 years overdue. I've suggested three phases. First is the freeway alignment change. Second is the freight train right of way. And third is the dedication of a high speed rail corridor on the east side. On the first phase the only tunneling would be for getting under the Willamette and for the realignment of I5 in the Lloyd Center area. The freeway should be below grade (like I405) from it's tunnel portal on the eastbank to the north bank of Sulivans Gulch at NE 9th.

I sure like the dreaming we do online but at some point dreams like this need to go to the next step. I tried to get some folks together at OSC.com for rap about our future near the possible stadium locations without any success. Maybe this venue is a better place to talk about making Portland even greater and more unique then it already is.

Your trip makes me want to get down there and check it out by foot or bike again.

The cost argument will always come up and as was noted before, we are dropping about $250 Million in Iraq per week right now for the contractors and military services plus if we don't solve I5 we might as well shut Portland down since it is our main route of commerce.


Ray

justin

that was a nice post Brian. Having grown up in St. John's, I drive that route fairly often and agree with most of your obervations.

It seems to me that Portland is divided into two camps: those that want PDX to stay the small city it is and those who recognize growth is inevitable and want to grow as painlessly as possible. let's hope the second camp wins out.

side note: did you catch AFI's Top 100 movie quotes last night? I thought it was great.

Justin

I know I should probably be posting this at portlandtransport.com, but whatever:

I really wonder how we're going to be dealing with the rail line going through the Central Eastside in 10 years or so when traffic on it really starts to pick up, what with all our 'high-speed rail' dreams and whatnot. I think it could almost be as effective at cutting off the riverfront from the rest of the city as a freeway - but remember, you can't just bury a small segment of a railroad; the grade change is a real pain.

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