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billb

IT is absurd that one would address the environment ,when operating a facility to store conspicuous consumption high pollution machines.
Lipstick on a pig , eh

pdx2m2

I tend to agree with the above post....this is lipstick on a pig....

No amount of methodological sophistication can give life to a sterile idea. A huge storage facility for power boats cloaked in sustainable design stories makes no sense. Neither does building a storage building on this relatively urban section of our river. We deserve better...not just better architecture but in this case much better land use.

Aside from the huge waste of riverfront I"m surprised at your singing the praise for this design...it must be a slow news day.

chris

While true that motorboats are pigs. I welcome the opportunity to add more sailboats/kayaks/sculls to the river.

Non-Enviro_hippy

So one should totally disregard the environment when creating something that houses or is used by high polluntant machines? Seems to me that even though it is such a storage place for high pollution machines that it should try and balance things out if not an even balance at least attempt. Of course that is resonable thinking.

Chuck

This will be a great project so long as they use the right type of glass and don't value engineer the windmills right off the top.

pdx2m2

I think no amount of cool glass and windmills can change the fact that this is a dumb project that will scar the riverfont for decades...long after recreational motorboats are the rage. This project seems like building a 3 car garage for your SUV's at a time they make no sense for life on the planet.

The concept of the building is fundamentally unsustainable...maybe it could be used to store 1000 kayaks althouhg it seems like that isn't the real market.

Lance Lindahl

Recreational motor boats have been "the rage" for about 75 years now. Personally I prefer canoes , but I don't think that motor boats are going to go completely away anytime soon.

pdx2m2

SUV's have also been the rage...Horses used to be the rage....the planet is changing and the culture will change with it. I doubt motor boats will vanish soon although that doesn't mean we should get all excited about our future with them. This will be a giant elephant on the riverfront even with it's cool motor boats...maybe it could be a museum someday?

k

i think you guys are missing the point (or boat) - a point of denial does not preclude the need for a storage facility. if you are going to have to build one, which seems a better use of the river than more and more marinas with key card access that take up river frontage now gated off. Any boat sitting there seeping potential fluids into the water whilst not used or watched. Face it, people with excess can afford a boat to begin with, unless they are the ugly neighbor with one in the driveway next to the RV. So better to be stored up and out of the water than sitting there nine months of the year rusting, seeping into the river. So if you do build, at least do so with a small impact. that is exactly what they are trying for. Additionally i would echo an earlier comment that this city really does not take full advantage of the river - we need more recreation, and how about water taxis. i of course want to measure that we keep the river clean, but we don't take advantage, not to be confused with corruption, but rather engage at all scales. This will all happen over time, so denying a project's worth b/c it does not fit a vegetarian lifestyle is ignorant. The shift from the horse and carriage to the auto was a matter of technology. So when cars go with fuel cells or hydro, guess what folks - so will the boats.

Ice Man

Shoot, I'll just keep "Bessie" the bass boat out back in my yard under a tarp. No need for fancy glass and wind turbines for Bessie.

ws

I've been pretty much reconciled to the idea that a monolith like this will be plopped on the banks of the Willamette, so, if one must be there, you at least hope for something in the way of a consolation. The building looks no worse than a lot of other modern style structures today.

The 'green' thing is welcome in this building, even if it is mainly just a way to win approval. Those wind generators on the roof look really funny in a good way.

At least this building's team was smart enough to provide for continuation of the greenway trail and its own operations, unlike the completely idiotic obstructionism of SK Northwest (do a search for SK Northwest on bikeportland.org)for more about their misanthropic odyssey.

I'd love it if this project sunk like a rock, but what are you going to do? If rich people (will anyone but this class be able to afford or keep a boat there?) have the money and want to blow it on fantasy boats, the city seems prepared to allow the riverscape to be sullied by projects like this, just like it did to the city in another instance with approval of the Ladd Tower on the Park Blocks and Moyer's next monolith on PB4.

Andrew

Monolith along the river: Tate Modern

Aneeda

Hideous.

pdx2m2

Much of the conversation about this posting ended up about whether it was size to be building huge temples to gas guzzling boats.

Brian's original posting was more about the design and I agree with Aneeda that the project design is 'hideous'. I would like to see wind turbines on more buildings although they do not turn a dog of a building into something better.

goose

is it just me, or are those birds flying straight toward the turbines? seriously, the willamette is part of the pacific flyway used by migratory canadian geese, among other birds and those turbines look like lollipops of death. i'm just looking out for the rest of my flock, but it seems that more thought needs to go into the turbine design.

sut

Maybe it's just the way the rendering is done - devoid of real context and looking up from below - that makes this design seem ostentatious and too monumental. But I doubt it. I have to applaud the green features, though, even for not so green users. Good point about the birds - here's a link to some new 'bird safe building guidelines' from the Audubon Society: http://www.nycaudubon.org/home/BSBGuidelines.shtml for anyone interested. I'm not sure what, if anything could be done to reconcile the wind turbines with bird safety, though.

Kristin

Shouldn't this be on the west side?

doc

Tate modern? Ouch. If you are going to do a storage shed, try to do a compelling storage shed (think Peter Behrens in the 21st century maybe?)- not a building scaled like the latest addition to an Outer Mongolia office park...with boats.

doc

No offence to Outer Mongolia, of course.

doc

Crap, sorry..."offense"

sid

i agree with the outer mongolia office park.. this is crap.. and it will impose it's will on that body of water. i want to mention that I've been reading here (of all places) that waterfront park should have more "people" places, and this is accomplishing nothing at all in regards to the greater good. the greenwashing with those little turbines on the roof is killing me softly, people. enough already.. those particular types of turbines don't function very well as drawn. look them up. a little research would be great to see...

http://www.aerotecture.com/projects_mlh.html

BrianLibby

Sid, they're doing wonderful things with decaf nowadays.

jmn

Kudos to the folks pushing this project forward. The idea of keeping motorboats stored in a way that they do not leak fossil fuels into the Willamette should be applauded. Face it, folks - you aren't going to get rid of the motorboats until gas prices are so high that no one will want to recreate on the river in such a way. So store 'em in a way that uses less space and keeps the river cleaner. When all the motorboat owners can no longer afford the fuel, there will still be this awesome facility to store kayaks, rowing shells, canoes and dragon boats - human powered recreational watercraft. What a concept...

And as for the aesthetics, have any of you nay-sayers seen what it there NOW? A garbage dump would be an improvement. Really. I row by it almost daily, so I know.

sid

brian - when you stop jumping bandwagons before they have time to incubate, i'll switch to decaf, i promise.

Jon

I agree, the design is terrible. Likening the polycarbonate to Herzog and Demurons Laban Centre for Contemporary Dance in London is weak.

What I really want to address is the notion that somehow this building is going to save us from "fluid leaking" boats being tied up on the Willamette. I'll be the first to say my line of thought is based on an assumption, but here goes. Most likely this facility will house a typical family boat and not the yachts tied up along the waterfront which would be too large to be picked-up with a mechanized forklift and essentially placed on a shelf. So if one agrees with this assumption I don't understand how this facility is protecting the river (or anyone) from these "leaky" boats as these boats would most likely be on someones boat trailer in their driveway when not in use. One doesn't see many personal watercraft moored along the shores of Willamette do they? What this project does is open the floodgate to those who don't have a driveway or garage...namely those across the river in South waterfront or similar.

I just don't buy the argument that this storage facility is keeping the type of watercraft off the Willamette that wouldn't already be when not in use.

It appears the only redeeming feature is the continuation of the greenway trail. I sure hope they've considered the ease with which the building can be remodeled for another purpose in the future.

HK

I agree with most here who don't love the design, but it could be worse. take a walk through the neighborhood if you want to really see hideous.

Apparently there will also be retail & office space included:
http://www.djcoregon.com/articleDetail.htm/2008/05/08/After-two-redesigns-waterfront-towers-are-now-ready-to-build-Portland-City-Storage-project-will-feat

Considering that the lot borders a gravel processing facility on two sides I think it's an impressive project for the location. It pushes the limits of the IH zoning, in a good direction.

I bike by there a couple times per week and see this as an improvement.

keith.d

Knowing what this architect was capable of with the Addidas campus - a project many felt didn't fit in, was a play to corporate greed, etc., etc. - and seeing what a wonderful addition it has been to my neighborhood, I can only be excited about this project.

No doubt as it evolves towards completion it will too be considered an asset we didn't know we were missing.

eenie

jesus that's ugly.

I'll believe they're really including a greenway trail through it when I see it. my understanding is that there's a long-running lawsuit over the question of getting the trail along the water any further south than it is now, although I may have missed something.

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